The Business of Health with Chip Kahn
About this Episode
Episode 9, AI Series: In this episode, Dr. Ziad Obermeyer joins Chip to talk about AI bias in patient management, including how far the health care industry has come since his groundbreaking research that revealed alarming biases in a widely used algorithm that underestimated the health needs of Black patients. The discussion emphasizes that while AI can analyze data with remarkable precision, it is the context surrounding that data that ultimately determines its efficacy, usefulness, and fairness. Dr. Obermeyer is an emergency department physician, researcher, co-founder of Nightingale Open Science and Dandelion, and associate professor at the UC Berkeley School of Public Health and the College of Computing, Data Science, and Society.
The Host
Charles N. Kahn III is a senior visiting fellow at KFF. He is also a visiting senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a nonresident senior scholar at the University of Southern California’s Schaeffer Center for Health Policy & Economics. He serves as co-chair of the international Future of Health collaborative.
Guest
Ziad Obermeyer
Blue Cross of California Distinguished Associate Professor of Health Policy and Management, UC Berkeley School of Public Health
Dr. Ziad Obermeyer is Associate Professor and Blue Cross of California Distinguished Professor in UC Berkeley’s School of Public Health and College of Computing, Data Science, and Society. His work, grounded in clinical practice, uses AI and data to improve clinical decisions, accelerate medical discovery, and bring computational innovations into patient care. His research on algorithmic bias has influenced hospital AI practices worldwide and informed public accountability efforts. He co-founded Nightingale Open Science and Dandelion and is a Chan–Zuckerberg Biohub Investigator and a Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. A Harvard Medical School faculty member and McKinsey consultant, he was named to TIME Magazine’s 100 most influential people in AI.
SERIES
This weekly podcast features insightful conversations between host Chip Kahn and his guests, who discuss the business of health care, connecting the dots between the health care business, policy, and patients.
The podcast’s first series on AI in health care illuminates how AI is changing health care, and features guests who are deploying this technology, managing its consequences, and designing policy around it.